iPhone vs Android....Android has more market share now?

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Permalink Reply by Robyn Bagy on May 20, 2010 at 9:35pm

Right now if it is new in technology, it is "hot". Ipads follow this pattern. An Ipad will not replace my Kindle where I already have x number of books. An Ipad does not have a usb port for me to upload my own stuff. An Ipad will not replace my computer as it does not have the technology to support what i use my computer for - Hulu.com, various other features with flash drives that are inaccessible to Ipad.

I did not get an Iphone, though, it was tempting. I did get an droid. When it comes down to it, I was not ready to switch from my company (sprint) who has always been reliable, very few dropped calls, and great to me as a consumer to unknown simply for app capablity. I ended up with the HTC Hero. I love it. There are very few apps I cannot get as a droid vs iphone and I suspect that technology will change shortly. Regardless, my friends with iphones drop their calls continuously with me, while I have the luxury of the same good service I always had.

And realistically, isnt that what a phone is for ;)

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Permalink Reply by Nicholas Nagao on May 20, 2010 at 9:46pm

Robyn,

Great stuff. I have maintained about the same stance on these things until recently. First let me say I have a Blackberry and will be getting another one shortly (most likely hehe...here's why). I love my Blackberry for 2 main reasons.

1. The speakerphone is better than any phone including land lines I have ever used. That's a huge feature for me because it allows me to talk on the road more easily and I have a basic aversion to having something held against my head for long periods of time.
2. The call quality and phone functions like speed dial and texting are great.

However! Having seen the breakthroughs in application development due to the combination of a touch screen, GPS, data service everywhere, and a huge development community, I now see the iPhone is not really a phone. I am actually thinking about getting an iPhone as a gadget along with my Blackberry. If you take away the phone functions of the iPhone, I believe it's still an amazing electronic device. This is of course what the iPad is except that for 2 things. First it's much larger than the iPhone. That limits it's portability and it's ability to function as a phone. However, what it also does is allow you to have a full screen. This is going to allow for the first usable interactive video and richer eBook type media. Put that together with data anywhere with 3G and wireless internet and I can see the possibilities are almost endless. Will it replace a computer, probably not, but it will create a new type of media and appliance in my opinion.

Back on topic...I like the Android concept, but I'm not convinced this won't work out similarly to Linux versus Apple/Windows. Linux is great for many things, but not great for consumer oriented applications. This is partly because of the very thing that makes it great...the fact that it's open and so open design is more important than what's good for a specific feature that would really enhance the OS. There's also less incentive for the Google to keep up with Apple when they don't have as much skin in the game, as they are sharing the platform as opposed to being responsible for the whole brand themselves...just my $.02 though

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Permalink Reply by Robyn Bagy on May 20, 2010 at 10:00pm

Here is a random question for you ;)


Ipads are rather large....


When did technology get bigger, not smaller, and was a raging success?

Nicholas Nagao said:

Robyn,

Great stuff. I have maintained about the same stance on these things until recently. First let me say I have a Blackberry and will be getting another one shortly (most likely hehe...here's why). I love my Blackberry for 2 main reasons.

1. The speakerphone is better than any phone including land lines I have ever used. That's a huge feature for me because it allows me to talk on the road more easily and I have a basic aversion to having something held against my head for long periods of time.
2. The call quality and phone functions like speed dial and texting are great.

However! Having seen the breakthroughs in application development due to the combination of a touch screen, GPS, data service everywhere, and a huge development community, I now see the iPhone is not really a phone. I am actually thinking about getting an iPhone as a gadget along with my Blackberry. If you take away the phone functions of the iPhone, I believe it's still an amazing electronic device. This is of course what the iPad is except that for 2 things. First it's much larger than the iPhone. That limits it's portability and it's ability to function as a phone. However, what it also does is allow you to have a full screen. This is going to allow for the first usable interactive video and richer eBook type media. Put that together with data anywhere with 3G and wireless internet and I can see the possibilities are almost endless. Will it replace a computer, probably not, but it will create a new type of media and appliance in my opinion.

Back on topic...I like the Android concept, but I'm not convinced this won't work out similarly to Linux versus Apple/Windows. Linux is great for many things, but not great for consumer oriented applications. This is partly because of the very thing that makes it great...the fact that it's open and so open design is more important than what's good for a specific feature that would really enhance the OS. There's also less incentive for the Google to keep up with Apple when they don't have as much skin in the game, as they are sharing the platform as opposed to being responsible for the whole brand themselves...just my $.02 though

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Permalink Reply by Nicholas Nagao on May 20, 2010 at 10:03pm

Hehe Robyn, the miniaturization technology must be measured by how many transistors they can fit per square centimeter and other such measurements, not on the size of the packaging ;)

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Permalink Reply by Robyn Bagy on May 20, 2010 at 10:09pm

Not disputing that fact.


Just stating that the ipad is larger than most phones, larger than a kindle, and slighly larger than a mini notebook. I rarely see good technology get bigger, it tends to become more portalable rather than less portable.



Nicholas Nagao said:

Hehe Robyn, the miniaturization technology must be measured by how many transistors they can fit per square centimeter and other such measurements, not on the size of the packaging ;)

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Permalink Reply by Nicholas Nagao on May 20, 2010 at 10:25pm

Robyn, I'm not sure I understand your definition of larger. It's lighter and thinner than a notebook, and even a netbook. It has very little space aside from the screen, so the size is a result of screen size, not inability to package it smaller. In some ways your comparison is like saying a 32" TV is better than a 60" TV simply because it's smaller. This is an especially good comparison in the case of the iPhone where features are almost identical, but where the main feature was it's phone features, the iPad's main feature is it's screen.

I held out on the iPhone because of functional requirements I have of a phone, but I already purchased an iPad for my mother and I plan to get one for myself once the 3G capabilities are there because I see some innovative ways to use it. I can see it being used it as a Heads up Display. It could enrich the world around you by telling you things about the things you're looking at. Say you're in a Mexico sight seeing, and you point the iPad/iPhone at a ruin in Tulum, or hiking and point it at a bird, plant, animal, and it identifies and gives you history about what you're looking at. What if there were games to play that got people out of their house and made use of this device to interact with the world in ways they never would have before because it makes it fun. These things are already being developed and used, and I really think these are the devices that will make the ENORMOUS amounts of data that is available now usable because it will digest that data and display it for us in ways we can interact with it easily. Sorry, I get excited sometimes ;)

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Permalink Reply by Ben Zuckerman on May 21, 2010 at 1:34pm

Nick,

Many of the examples you mentioned I'm currently experiencing with the iphone. The mash-up of technology (GPS + High speed internet) connected with clever apps like "GoWalla" or "AroundMe" (both geo location tools) have me interacting with the world in an entirely different way. I also agree that the ipad will enable these experiences to reach their full potential by adding more screen space and hardware. The possibilities for so many new types of interaction are almost limitless.

To get back on topic... Although I haven't owned an Android phone, I have had a love/hate relationship with many smart phones over the years. They've been mostly Windows phones with a few Symbian OS phones as well. I had "complete control", "expansion capabilities", etc. etc. etc. The technology was there long before Apple came out with the iPhone, but it wasn't presented in a practical and more important "usable" fashion. Sure, I could use my phone like a traditional computer, but that's what was wrong with the whole experience! A new way of interacting with technology needed to be created, and I believe that's what Apple has done. They took 1/3 of the basic functionality of traditional smartphones and made those experiences rich, enjoyable, and functional! Many people complain that the iPhone "doesn't do this, or that". I would like those people to take a step back and look at what it DOES do, and how it's changed the mobile experience for not just itself, but every phone out there. Besides, most if not all of the things it didn't do have been either enabled through updates or later generation phones. Hey, kudos to Apple for delivering a product that actually does what it says it does, and WELL! Let's face it, they're out to make a buck. It's smart business to keep their consumers wanting new features and capability through new products.

At the end of it all, we win as consumers no matter what type of phone you're using. It's only getting better going forward too. To me, that's pretty damn exciting. ;-)))

Ben



Nicholas Nagao said:

Robyn, I'm not sure I understand your definition of larger. It's lighter and thinner than a notebook, and even a netbook. It has very little space aside from the screen, so the size is a result of screen size, not inability to package it smaller. In some ways your comparison is like saying a 32" TV is better than a 60" TV simply because it's smaller. This is an especially good comparison in the case of the iPhone where features are almost identical, but where the main feature was it's phone features, the iPad's main feature is it's screen.

I held out on the iPhone because of functional requirements I have of a phone, but I already purchased an iPad for my mother and I plan to get one for myself once the 3G capabilities are there because I see some innovative ways to use it. I can see it being used it as a Heads up Display. It could enrich the world around you by telling you things about the things you're looking at. Say you're in a Mexico sight seeing, and you point the iPad/iPhone at a ruin in Tulum, or hiking and point it at a bird, plant, animal, and it identifies and gives you history about what you're looking at. What if there were games to play that got people out of their house and made use of this device to interact with the world in ways they never would have before because it makes it fun. These things are already being developed and used, and I really think these are the devices that will make the ENORMOUS amounts of data that is available now usable because it will digest that data and display it for us in ways we can interact with it easily. Sorry, I get excited sometimes ;)

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Permalink Reply by Patricio Buenrostro-Gilhuys on May 21, 2010 at 2:12pm

In the long run I think Android is better positioned. The new iPhone will probably do ok, but it´s Apple vs Microsoft Part II: Apple is again focusing on hardware instead of software and Google is doing what Microsoft did in the 80´- focusing on software. I hope Apple can learn from the past. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/21/cashmore.iphone.cool/index.html

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Permalink Reply by Nicholas Nagao on May 21, 2010 at 2:19pm

Ben great post! I see it with the same positive outlook that you do, I'm excited about all the technology, because as a consumer I don't really need to even chose!

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Permalink Reply by Nicholas Nagao on May 21, 2010 at 2:20pm

Patricio, I was just about to post that article! Hey Patricio, what does the iPhone/Android usage look like in Mexico?

Patricio Buenrostro-Gilhuys said:

In the long run I think Android is better positioned. The new iPhone will probably do ok, but it´s Apple vs Microsoft Part II: Apple is again focusing on hardware instead of software and Google is doing what Microsoft did in the 80´- focusing on software. I hope Apple can learn from the past. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/21/cashmore.iphone.cool/index.html

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Permalink Reply by Patricio Buenrostro-Gilhuys on May 21, 2010 at 2:26pm

I´m trying to find numbers but . . . nothing. From pure observation I see a lot more iPhones than phones using android. I have some friends in the cellphone industry in Mexico and will ask for some data.

Nicholas Nagao said:

Patricio, I was just about to post that article! Hey Patricio, what does the iPhone/Android usage look like in Mexico?

Patricio Buenrostro-Gilhuys said:

In the long run I think Android is better positioned. The new iPhone will probably do ok, but it´s Apple vs Microsoft Part II: Apple is again focusing on hardware instead of software and Google is doing what Microsoft did in the 80´- focusing on software. I hope Apple can learn from the past. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/21/cashmore.iphone.cool/index.html

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Permalink Reply by Ben Zuckerman on June 6, 2010 at 9:31am

Here's a visual from Engadget.com.

Source : http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/iphone-vs-android-report-finds-a...

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